Hi Kathy,
I came across your blog randomly with a Google search on Hoboken living. You are a talented writer and provide SO much information. I truly appreciate all the information you provide on a daily basis! Here’s a little background on myself and I’m hoping you can answer some of my questions about living in Hoboken.
My husband and I are expecting a baby in December. We currently live in Passaic County. We reside in a spacious townhouse with a wonderful community and our next door neighbors are our best friends. I teach nearby, which is a short 10-minute commute but my husband works in the city which door to door is almost an 1 and 45 minutes each way on NJ transit and the Path. With a baby on the way, I would love to have him home earlier…plus after 10 years of commuting this way, he’s getting burned out.
My husband and I actually met in Hoboken almost 5 years ago. I was living there at the time and loved it but worked 3 jobs to maintain my Hoboken lifestyle! He has also lived there (over 10 years ago) and always felt that Hoboken was a ticking clock when it came to living there. Once people started having families, the alarm went off and up they moved to the suburbs.
We still have friends that live in Hoboken and we frequently visit them. We have noticed a huge influx of baby strollers and young families in the area and have started to do some home searches. We were pleasantly surprised to find a lot of new(er) condos in our price range and with adequate space! We are now seriously considering moving back to the area and building a family there. My husband would be home a lot earlier and my commute will only double (20 minutes…not too bad) and we are so into the healthy lifestyle that Hoboken can provide us, which you also mentioned in one of your blog entries.
Sorry for the long intro, but now here are my questions:
1. Being a teacher, I’m really interested in my child’s education. I know your children are not in elementary schools yet, but based on what you hear around town, how are the schools? I know when I lived across the street from the middle school, I used to hear fighting (mostly girls!). I also heard horror stories about the high school but I guess that’s a long time away. I am an advocate of private schooling, as I went through the system, but now being on the other side…the side that’s actually paying…I’m not sure if we want to pay our taxes as well as foot the bill for schools.
2. Where in Hoboken do you recommend us looking? I know that Hoboken is situated in sections and you live in the SouthWest section. We had a realtor bring us around yesterday and she showed us property there as well as the up and coming NorthEast (?) section by the movie theater. We saw potential places in both sections. My husband loves to walk so anywhere we live is fine with him even if it’s a 15 minute walk to the Path.
3. Living where we are we have nice space. Not too much, but not too little. We share a backyard area with our row of townhouses and we spend a lot of time on our deck. We also have a pool in our development that we unfortunately don’t visit enough during the summer. How important is outside space to you? I feel that once we lose it, we will regret not having it.
4. Gyms. I recently read you joined the Sky Club. I used to be at Club H and heard the horror stories 5 years ago when the Sky Club gym went under. No electricity, poor service, etc. I’m guessing it’s all better now? Again…my husband and his healthiness…is an avid gym goer. I occasionally dabble. Going to a decent gym is important to him and I told him that if we live where we live now, he would have to cut back on his gym visits after work from 4-5 days a week to 1-2 days a week. That killed him but I was thinking I probably would kill him if he came home at 9 pm every night like he does now and I was home with the baby all day! Other than the Sky Club and Club H, are there any other gyms you recommend? Or even better, buildings that have stellar gym facilities?
Ok, all done! I appreciate the time you took to read my email. Whenever you get the chance, please respond back. I look forward to hearing from you,
Sincerely,
T.
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My answer:
Hi, T.,
Glad to hear you liked the blog and found it informative! I have a two year old and four year old, and the short commute (35 minutes door to door) was definitely a huge part of why we bought our four-bedroom condo last year. I have lived in Hoboken for nine years, and the place is completely different from when we first moved here. It has gotten a lot more upscale and has a ton more grocery stores, such as Garden of Eden, Kings, A&P, and Shop Rite. There are also lots more kid-friendly facilities like Kidville (great gym classes and open playspace sessions for rainy/snowy days) and Monroe Center for the Arts (and host to tons of toddler dance classes).
Having my husband home early has been a blessing, especially since my two are only 18 months apart. He gets them up in the morning and is always home for bath and bedtime. We cosleep (groan) and trade off putting the kids to bed. That is how I was able to start working from home; he would put my daughter to bed while I got in a few hours of work each evening.
As far as schools go, the Hoboken public schools are excellent from pre-k up through sixth grade, plus there is a lot of selection. I toured the Wallace school and was impressed by the teachers as well as the ranked classes determined by state test scores. Hoboken Charter school goes all the way through high school and is pretty good, and there is always the possibility that the kids will test into High Tech High School (the bus picks up on Washington St and it’s about half an hour away). If we need to go the private route, the Hudson School tuition is only about $14k/year, which is definitely doable when combined with the relatively low property taxes. I am paying about $11k/year for a 2,100SF new construction four-bedroom (compared to $25k for a comparable property in Montclair). A large 3BR for sale in my building is paying under $10k in annual property taxes.
There are basically four quadrants to Hoboken plus a middle area around Willow Terrace. NE and SE are closer to transportation (ferry & PATH), Washington Street and the waterfront. They are pricier and are usually walkups without parking, plus the SE noise from bars and traffic can be quite intense on weekends. Willow Terrace has more houses but is farthest from public transportation, although the newly expanded HOP lines run past there.
NW and SW have the Light Rail and the most new construction. Some people prefer the NW because they can take the midtown bus through the Lincoln Tunnel and the uptown ferry. That is where there are the most vacant lots so expect a lot of construction in coming years. SW Hoboken is where the most housing was constructed over the last 5-8 years and is best for people who like to drive since that is the fastest place to get out of Hoboken to the turnpike and Holland Tunnel. It is also closest to Jersey City shopping (3.5% sales tax!) at the huge A&P, Target, BJs, Bed Bath & Beyond, Morton Williams and Newport Mall.
Many of the new construction condos in SW Hoboken have large gated communal courtyards. We have one in my building where my kids play with the neighbors’ kids, riding bikes and building snowmen. We used to have an enormous private outdoor patio attached to our two-bedroom; it was literally almost as big as the condo interior. But we found we didn’t use it as much as we expected. Between the snow, blazing sun, NO HOSE, and evening mosquitoes, we decided we needed some outdoor space (we have 120 SF) but that indoor space was more important for our family. I also found that appraisers don’t give you much more value for a large outdoor space versus a small one; small balconies in my old building received a $5k credit versus $10k for my enormous patio.
I toured a number of gyms around Hoboken when we first moved here, and Club H and the Sky Club are definitely the nicest. We had a pretty decent gym with sauna and steam room on the same floor as our two-bedroom condo but found we rarely used it (maybe 10 times in the 5 years we lived there). Most building gyms in Hoboken are pretty small and basic in equipment (the Hoboken Grande gym was actually the nicest I have ever seen).
The thing about building gyms is that you have to pay for their upkeep in your monthly maintenance, plus build repair/replacement costs into your reserve fund. I would much rather have the option to pay the extra $89/month rather than have it automatically built into my maintenance. If we are going to be in our four-bedroom for years then I want to keep our costs down. I absolutely love having the Sky Club across the street; they are open until 10pm, well after the kids go to bed, and the facility is clean and run well (great nursery for drop-offs). I know there were a lot of issues when the NJ Devils owned it, but it has been under new management for about a year now and I have found them to be very proactive and responsive. And I love the pool, it is by far the best one in Hoboken. My kids are great swimmers because we have it right across the street.
My standards for choosing a condo are a lot different from most people’s because I have been a condo board president for the last five years. I look for things like a completed transition engineering study to make sure there are no expensive construction issues, a healthy reserve fund to cover the inevitable capital repairs like a roof replacement, two elevators and trash compacters since I know how most buildings fail to properly maintain them (they need biannual servicing) and thus break frequently, and a great parking garage. The majority of indoor parking garages in Hoboken have spots that are too small for large cars (ie. minivans), and are poorly designed with weird columns all over the place. If I am committing to living in a place for 10+ years, I need to have a spacious parking spot in a garage that is easy to navigate, and I found everything I was looking for in my current building.
Congratulations on the impending arrival of your baby, and please feel free to email me if you have any more questions.
Kathy